submitted by systemto TalkDev3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:46:11 ago (+32/-2) (TalkDev)*
We all know @itsgettingcloser likes to delete comments in his subverse. Personally, I view user created subverses as a private space where the owner can dictate how it's ran. You can block him, and his subverses and not be bothered by it. But there are others who believe sub owners should not have this power, which I understand. Curious what the community thinks about this. Should there be a balance of power? Or should sub owners have full authority? Like I've said recently to someone else, on these types of sites, I view going into /all as the wild west, where you are not guaranteed a safe space, or anything really. The difference is these sites don't default to /all, like this site does, and instead either show you your subscriptions or show you the default subs, which enforces this images of user created subverses being 'separate' from the main site. What are your thoughts on this issue?
Edit: I've decided to leave as is. If you don't like a user or a sub then simply block them. Create your own sub. This way leads to the least intervention on my part. I will probably switch the default view to /front, which display default subs, or your subscriptions. Curate your own content. There is already an option available if you prefer /all.
This is not a bad idea. Perhaps deleted comments simply collapse instead of being removed? This would make sense as you can view the deleted content anyway by going to the delete log. Hm.. Will consider this one.
Yeah well what's garbage. I'm sure more than half of what I ever say is garbage to lots of people. The same for everything you say.
The problem with subs having no rules not set by the managers is that it's too easy for a group of jewchinkss with a hundred accounts each to make the entire system look like reddit. They start up 40 new subs all doing the same thing and posting enough to get them into the main pages and keep them there. "It's normal to be considered a trauma inducer and get deleted".
Why did you ban me? In front of the bros justify your decision given my posts/comments are well thought out and inciteful! You are a bucket of woman's piss!
I agree with you. I ran a sub-voat on the old voat, and I never removed comments or downvoated them - I let the users decide what's what. And you know what? They did exactly that, despite the fucking jews trying to shill everyone. They did exactly that. I never once had to intervene, ever. Not fucking once.
Of course, it was a little-used sub. It was /v/Oregon. Who fucking cares about Oregon? But even so, my users patrolled and policed their own, and I'm so goddamned proud of them for that. They did my job, and they were happy to do it; I fucking loved them for that. Those assholes made me believe, at least for a little while, that my state wasn't absolutely and utterly fucked by liberal shit-stains.....
And no, I don't moderate /v/Oregon here on newvoat; I don't care anymore. I think civil war is all we have left, now, so I just post for shits and giggles until the boogalooo kicks off. I simply don't care anymore; why should I?
I ran a few, I think the only ones I deleted were spammers and some guy who made a specific actionable threat and posted the target's GPS coords.
That said I think subs should be treated like monarchies: You started it, you built it, you call the shots. If someone doesn't like it they can make their own /v/christianity with blackjack and hookers.
It's a tough decision. Base your decision on what logically makes sense for the type of platform you want this place to be. Don't just base a decision on what will shut up the whiniest squeaky wheel.
The way I see it, if it's a private verse run anyway they want, if they want Ban and delete powers, then that sub needs to be excluded from v/front.
The issue I have is that I may have made a single mistake - I saw 3 photos that were VERY similar to others posted 2 months ago. I simply commented "You already posted these. Run out of content?" "Also posted already." and "Also posted already. Bot fail?" That's it. because of this, the mod deleted them and then banned me, not only from THAT sub, but ALL SUBS they own. Since this user also posts more content than a single person possibly could, this blocks me from commenting on 17 out of the top 25 threads on v/front. A single user has censored me from 68% of voat.xyz's front page.
Another idea. A Mod can have full Delete and Ban powers for a SINGLE verse only. Or can only ban a user from a Single verse.
I dont agree with the reason you were banned, I dont agree any banning unless its warranted. Your 1st suggestion is a decent idea, im assuming you meant /all instead of front. I would have to create a way to view unfiltered /all however.
I did that. A lot. No one should need to and thats why im here to begin with. There should be one decent site on the internet that isnt contaminated with power tripping mods and their ceaseless faggotry.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Between 1837 and 1869 he was known as Sir John Dalberg-Acton, 8th Baronet. ... He is perhaps best known for the remark, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...", which he made in a letter to an Anglican bishop.(Voat Library Service)
Subverses should serve the communities that form around them rather than the individual(s) in charge of them, in my opinion. I think part of the site rules should reflect that the individuals heading these subverses agree to serve their communitie(s) interests. In my opinion, this will become more necessary as the site grows and moderators undoubtedly become more corrupt.
I liked subs on old voat where rules of a user sub were clear and the mods of that sub had the power to enforce the rules that were set out. Like an art sub having a no porn rule and the ability to manage that. Not displayed on front unless your subscribed, but is displayed on all. Also ty for keeping the place going.
Keep the rules as close to V1 as you can. Watching people acting in their natural habitat is a model for reality, it's actually kind of fascinating. I see infamous ruqqus trolls dying off like fleas because they don't have a corrupt admin to protect them here. Yes, you're going to have power contributors and power mods, but that's what shapes humanity as a whole, the ability to hash out differences publicly.
I mean, TexasVet banned me from 14Words for being "off topic" and several other users pointing out his frauds - I turned it back on him by pointing out his hypocrisy and fucking destroyed any chance of getting momentum as a "pro-white leader".
As long as v/Whatever exists, let the mods do what the fuck they want.
I thought that was the point of a sub, to allow people to moderate them with their own rules. If posts get deleted all the time, people will wise up and leave the sub. They will also likely warn other people about the sub.
This problem is no different than another problem I've noticed where idiots starts a bunch of subs with names that have nothing to do with what they are about or worse, go against the name of the sub. For example, a guy makes a sub titled "Christianity" but in reality the guy is a satanist and post satanic garbage on that sub. People obviously see the deception pretty quick, but the idiot owner of the sub has taken that name which could have been used for a legitimate sub.
It's easy enough to make "christians" or "theology" or "turntheothercheek" though. For example, a pedo tranny took over /r/lgbt over on reddit and /r/ainbow quickly became the main faggot sub.
I know, it's very easy for anyone to create a sub and not represent what it's about. Your example is not that good. Pedo trannies fit right in with lgbt.
[ - ] veo 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:21:29 ago (+1/-0)
@system : seconded. Obvious advertisement or illegal content type spam should be reported through PM and removed, but for off-topic and stuff you don't agree with, it should just be left to the voting system.
One way to let the voting system work in our favor would be that if a post gains a lot of downvotes in a short amount of time should get deprioritized when looking at 'hot'. That should work pretty well if you have a good defense against bandwagon voting.
IIRC, on voat.co, if you were not a mod, you were only allowed 3 posts a day or something into a sub. That stopped the CP people from only posting 3 of them a day instead of spamming 3000. Or it might have been rated based on CCP or SCp or something - had to have 100 to post more than 3? I really don;t recall the rules put in place for those. I only started testing in preview when the votes and polls were being introduced
I SAY LETS GO HAVE THIS CONVO OVER AT SUPERMONKEY DEATH CAR SUB. They're the ones causing the drama. Leave the kid alone. Start your own sub. Call it Mammaries instead of memories or whatever. Leave things as is System. I moded LyingNewsMedia over on voat, same here, never had to ban or toss anyone because they all acted like grownups. There's a few that don't, and I say fuck them. Let Imcloser mod his own sub the way he wants'. He posts some excellent content.
I believe it's essential to be able to enforce posting and commenting rules, especially to keep out disruptive elements. Those who don't like it can create their own subverses and set their own rules, or none at all. If posts and comments cannot be deleted, there's nothing to stop trolls and lunatics from ruining subject-specific subverses.
ETA: In the sidebar I laid out the rules for the subverse. Without the ability to enforce them, what's the point of having a moderator?
Comments shouldn’t be removed unless they are spam (commercial spam or repeat content in a thread, porn/nsfw/gore in a post or sub that is not flagged for that sort of content, or illegal. Doing so is grounds for ownership/mod slots being yanked.
The only exceptions would be in a specific use case, like a banhammer sub (satire of poor, heavy handed over-moderation) or a specific sub set up for, as an example, non-vulgar content including ‘bad words’.
The reason I bring up the second example is that before v/greatawakening went off the rails into boob-frenzied lunacy, I thought to set up a dinner table-like sub for political discussion where no topics were verboten, but vulgarities would not be tolerated. The idea would be to allow for the freedom to express the sorts of ideas often expressed and debated here yet able to more widely disseminate because of the enforced language rules.
In my opinion SBBH should not be attacked as a unit. I've voiced that criticism at the old place. It can include a lot of people. I've been peripherally involved with it for example (which I suppose gives me some reason to interject at all - I don't personally take offense). By doing it you probably mostly mean to attack @gabara. But by saying SBBH you definitely offend @heygeorge. Unless that is your intention you should probably attack specific users.
I hadn’t quite seen what those jerks were posting about you. I just spoke to Cyna about this (didn’t ping you because there have been so many recently, don’t want to waste your time with drama) but I really expect more from you on your Official account, and think that is fair.
Is this an actual serious comment HeyGeorge? So, it doesn't bother you when users act like dicks, but it bothers you when System uses harsh language back at those same dicks?? You cannot be oblivious to the reputation that the SBBH clan earned on old voat.
It’s primarily cheeky, but rooted in reality. Do you not expect more from the site admin than a typical mentally troubled user?
To be talking about “SBBH scum” ‘controlling old Voat’ is conjectural rhetoric I’d expect from someone like itsgettingcloser but far far less so from the site owner on his official account. Do you not know better? You were closer to Putts than arguably anyone.
System told us he would make a separate account for shitposting( but I guess that’s out the window. I find it difficult to respect someone aping crenschiepoo’s lines (when crenschiepoo was also pushing Qhoax and actually defending Holographic Fake Biden on Poal) much less all the other insane lies.
So then you're upset that System used harsh language calling out the assholes instead of him using an alt account, but you're not upset about the assholes making efforts to fuck with his site.
Well thank you for that, bro. I guess where you and I differ is that you like to see civility whereas I find the abuse and squabbles entertaining. There's no banter like goat banter!
Flaming should be the exception not the rule. I mean, some are apt to see this bunch as terrorists. But it is notable Voat hasn't had a shooter or something. And is it any wonder? These jokers aren't dangerous. They're smartass kids in their moms' basements more like. If I'm wrong I'd like someone to give me a convincing reason why I am.
Oh yeah; peckerwood is not very nice to you. Actually you might be ok. So now we have 4 nice people. @Joe_Mcarthy also has nice polite (Jewish) manners. 5 people!
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:31:54 ago (+1/-0)
@PeckerwoodPerry said, he said, I wasn't a goat an' an' he said, when I made a comment on his flower post, to f..k off 'cos nobody liked me. Saying I was not a goat when I've been on Voat for over three (3) years was horribly hurtful. I hate him!
Censorship was only a problem on reddit when admins removed splinter subs for wrongthink. If jannies want to be faggots, then people will make another sub without them.
I mentioned this months ago. It's like Poal.. They have a news post, instead of posting into news, they create their own little subverse like: NEWZ, REALNEWS, TRUENEWS, ACTUALNEWS, NOVANEWS. This is absurd. Giving them total power in their "subverses" will cause voat to become Poal. Since the rule from 1/2 to 5x. I cannot downvoat anything. And I don't have time to post things enough to get 4k upvotes. I cannot help anyone, sorry. But in my opinion. No. Just because they created the subverse, doesn't make them God of it. I suggest you create some sorte of rule.. Like.. If you create a subverse and it either: becomes popular or lasts long enough... You have to nominate at least 2 extra admins that can at least help balance the decisions and try to avoid power abuse. If for example the 3 admins are being unreasonable, you System, can intervene. If it's only one. The other 2 should be bothered not you, system.
They have a news post, instead of posting into news, they create their own little subverse like:
NEWZ, REALNEWS, TRUENEWS, ACTUALNEWS, NOVANEWS.
This is absurd.
That's the solution to heavy handed moderation though: AOU was "moving" everyone's posts whenever he felt like it, so they started posting in subs he didn't own. Problem solved.
It isn't perfect - but sub owners should be left to run their subs. They are the ones that have the most invested in growing the site when one thinks about it as they have property here as it were and something to nurture. Disempower them and it is empowering the trolls.
Looking back at old Voat kevdude and ProtectVoat were some of the most cancerous elements there, even if maybe they didn't intend to be. In the name of fighting censorship they stirred up lynch mobs to harass sub owners and try to prevent them from containing trolls in their subs. I think limiting sub owner power can only lead to a depression of rational conversation on this website.
Personally I don't think anyone can seriously claim I was ever an abusive sub owner at old Voat. If a person didn't come in and cuss me out or spam the place to disrupt, etc., I left their content alone. I'll do the same here.
No. But I definitely should be able to ban you in my sub for saying that. To not be able to do so is to surrender this site to the trolls. And ultimately - if the sub owners get alienated the site has no future in my opinion. They are the real 'builders' Putt used to talk about if anyone are.
I've been thinking about these issues for years. The community building element of sub owners for maybe a year and a half. You though are little more than an empty suit with a filthy mouth. It'd be fun to compare our IQs.
I'm not sure what is less interesting - that you take screen shots from preview Voat chat, save the shot months later, or think anything there is useful or important. My main takeaway I guess is it gives me mild nostalgia to have a look at something I spent a couple of weeks at as my online hang around the first of the year.
I don't think any single person should have the ability to remove comments or submissions. Flagging as offtopic/spam/whatever is fine, but the idea of somebody else deciding what I'm allowed to see is somewhat off-putting.
If there was a way to get an uninvolved third party, maybe an unrelated mod from a randomly selected different subverse, to give his okay before an actual deletion, that would be a system I could get behind. Not sure how feasible that would be, though.
The idea about just collapsing posts works, too, in principle. But unfolding dozens of comments is a major pain in the ass, I'll have you know.
I don't see why they should, a better solution is to let them go into competition and make a new subverse. If the mod is genuinely unpopular the old one will die and the new one will take off.
It doesn't require any extra work for you if you give users the proper tools to curate the content for themselves. Censorious power mods are a big problem, and just moves the censorship problem from a single god-tier down to demigod-tier. If somebody spams off-topic content, they will be downvoted by the users, it will be less visible, and too many downvotes to a sub should rate limit you to that sub (both posts and comments). Problem solved, by the users, using the proper tools, as it should be.
I blocked itsgettingcloser because of his spammy low-tier posts, not because of his censorious policies, but if it was actually stuff I wanted to read it would suck not being able to comment on popular stuff because I ticked off a power-tripping owner of a popular sub.
People who can't handle comments they don't like shouldn't be running subverses. I was a mod at F169 and the only comments I deleted were threats of personal violence and doxxing. I also was supposed to delete CP and get the IP and other stuff but fortunately I never came across it but two of the other mods did.
Mods running amok is why reddit will die soon. People see these bbs' as an investment of time and when someone is part of a platform for a significant amount of time and then some fucktard mod gets them banned or deletes all their comments.
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:31:48 ago (+1/-0)
If Mods can block people or delete their comments then essentially they have a private internet platform for which they haven't paid - someone else has. So I think they should be required to pay a fee to Voat's owner.
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:15:12 ago (+1/-0)
It hurts me to say this but "yes". If the miserable little wretch wants a creche for him and his acolytes then so be it. Voat's special offering to the world is that it offers a soap box to all sorts, even the sooky-poo cry babies like @itsgettingcloser who run to mom if someone disagrees with them.
Have an uncensored mirror of the subverses. They control their little fifedom but the free speech is still there for whomever wants it. I'd wager more people end up perusing the mirror subverses.
[ - ] gabara 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:17:15 ago (+3/-2)
Since for some reason I specifically couldn't downvote this one user, itsgettingcloser, I countered by creating a bunch of new accounts and upvoting EVERY POST except itsgettingcloser. Even Joe_Mckarthy and TPS. Then this morning immediately after itsgettingcloser started posting, all my accounts were disabled.
Watch out you don't get sued by Reddit for copying them.
Lol. You think i am afraid of being sued? I litterally own nothing, my account has $10 in it. I'd love to see reddit or whoever waste their time for nothing.
Maybe you should give regular information about Voat's operating costs with details of how to make a financial contribution (note some of us don't deal in crypto-currency) There's no such thing as a free lunch.
There's a subverse in Reddit that thinks they got Voat.co shut down. I just DM'ed all the mods the address to voat.xyz. You shouldn't have been a jerk. Now your server bills will go up. Enjoy being alone with @itsgettingcloser in the void.
What is happening is a few trolls don't like that they are not able to control information.
I made 3 comments you didn't like on content I thought was reposted. Why did you simply say "Nope, you're wrong, this is different/unique"? Why delete? Why then ban me, not just from that sub, but all the subs you mod, before even giving me the opportunity for defense or retraction? Either it IS re-posted, and you want to hide it, or it isn't, and you BAN anyone who states otherwsie? WHy the two positions?
The only people that are complaining are those that can't troll in the comment areas of my posts. They add nothing.
They are also the ones creating many accounts, every day... over and over.
Really? I am ? Which accounts do I create, every day, over and over?
This is not how a normal person behaves.
I agree, normal people will take a single disagreement, say, "Hey you're wrong" and move on, and not ban people from everywhere in your purview. That is tyrannical, childlike behavior. "Take my ball and going home!" behavior.
These are not people that will be beneficial to this site.
100% agreed. People who use their mod power because they can are not beneficial to this site.
The ONLY good content on here has been Hiddenlol and its related subs and the stuff @KatHazso is posting but as soon as itsgettingcloser logs in and start flooding his reposts and then mass upvoting himself (on different phones as @AndrewBlazeIt has suggested) all that content disappears. @itgettingcloser is trash.
[ - ] hate 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:59:41 ago (+3/-0)
I can think of a dozen different ways that don't require multiple phones. Your argument is valid, but it's futile effort to prove if the party is motivated enough.
Not to mention, we both know you already know most of them because you use them yourself.
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The problem with subs having no rules not set by the managers is that it's too easy for a group of jewchinkss with a hundred accounts each to make the entire system look like reddit. They start up 40 new subs all doing the same thing and posting enough to get them into the main pages and keep them there. "It's normal to be considered a trauma inducer and get deleted".
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Of course, it was a little-used sub. It was /v/Oregon. Who fucking cares about Oregon? But even so, my users patrolled and policed their own, and I'm so goddamned proud of them for that. They did my job, and they were happy to do it; I fucking loved them for that. Those assholes made me believe, at least for a little while, that my state wasn't absolutely and utterly fucked by liberal shit-stains.....
And no, I don't moderate /v/Oregon here on newvoat; I don't care anymore. I think civil war is all we have left, now, so I just post for shits and giggles until the boogalooo kicks off. I simply don't care anymore; why should I?
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 5 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:27:45 ago (+5/-0)
That said I think subs should be treated like monarchies: You started it, you built it, you call the shots. If someone doesn't like it they can make their own /v/christianity with blackjack and hookers.
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Also I'd argue some subs are best as open discussion subs whereas other might do better with stricter rules.
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The way I see it, if it's a private verse run anyway they want, if they want Ban and delete powers, then that sub needs to be excluded from v/front.
The issue I have is that I may have made a single mistake - I saw 3 photos that were VERY similar to others posted 2 months ago. I simply commented "You already posted these. Run out of content?" "Also posted already." and "Also posted already. Bot fail?" That's it. because of this, the mod deleted them and then banned me, not only from THAT sub, but ALL SUBS they own. Since this user also posts more content than a single person possibly could, this blocks me from commenting on 17 out of the top 25 threads on v/front. A single user has censored me from 68% of voat.xyz's front page.
Another idea. A Mod can have full Delete and Ban powers for a SINGLE verse only. Or can only ban a user from a Single verse.
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The issue with having restraints on moderation is that it's hard to deal with spammers and abusive users.
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Between 1837 and 1869 he was known as Sir John Dalberg-Acton, 8th Baronet. ... He is perhaps best known for the remark, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...", which he made in a letter to an Anglican bishop.(Voat Library Service)
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I mean, TexasVet banned me from 14Words for being "off topic" and several other users pointing out his frauds - I turned it back on him by pointing out his hypocrisy and fucking destroyed any chance of getting momentum as a "pro-white leader".
As long as v/Whatever exists, let the mods do what the fuck they want.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:03:27 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 11, 2021 19:06:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 0 points 3.9 yearsJun 11, 2021 20:10:16 ago (+0/-0)
He's still the lesser evil compared to you, pedo
[ + ] mattsixteen24
[ - ] mattsixteen24 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 22:06:49 ago (+4/-0)
This problem is no different than another problem I've noticed where idiots starts a bunch of subs with names that have nothing to do with what they are about or worse, go against the name of the sub. For example, a guy makes a sub titled "Christianity" but in reality the guy is a satanist and post satanic garbage on that sub. People obviously see the deception pretty quick, but the idiot owner of the sub has taken that name which could have been used for a legitimate sub.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:04:09 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mattsixteen24
[ - ] mattsixteen24 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 22:30:08 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 5 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:12:49 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:27:40 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 5 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:35:58 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] veo
[ - ] veo 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:21:29 ago (+1/-0)
One way to let the voting system work in our favor would be that if a post gains a lot of downvotes in a short amount of time should get deprioritized when looking at 'hot'. That should work pretty well if you have a good defense against bandwagon voting.
[ + ] cyclops1771
[ - ] cyclops1771 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:52:38 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:29:57 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:26:31 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] oldblo
[ - ] oldblo 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:35:03 ago (+2/-0)
People it bothers will use the block function. Deciding for themselves what they will or wont see instead of someone else making the choice for them.
[ + ] beece
[ - ] beece 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:33:52 ago (+5/-1)*
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 5 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:19:50 ago (+5/-0)*
[ + ] AndrewBlazeIt
[ - ] AndrewBlazeIt 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:26:49 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:52:31 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] dominus_stercae
[ - ] dominus_stercae 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:33:52 ago (+3/-0)*
I believe it's essential to be able to enforce posting and commenting rules, especially to keep out disruptive elements. Those who don't like it can create their own subverses and set their own rules, or none at all. If posts and comments cannot be deleted, there's nothing to stop trolls and lunatics from ruining subject-specific subverses.
ETA: In the sidebar I laid out the rules for the subverse. Without the ability to enforce them, what's the point of having a moderator?
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 06:59:10 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 1 point 3.9 yearsJun 11, 2021 19:03:17 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:44:40 ago (+4/-1)
Comments shouldn’t be removed unless they are spam (commercial spam or repeat content in a thread, porn/nsfw/gore in a post or sub that is not flagged for that sort of content, or illegal. Doing so is grounds for ownership/mod slots being yanked.
The only exceptions would be in a specific use case, like a banhammer sub (satire of poor, heavy handed over-moderation) or a specific sub set up for, as an example, non-vulgar content including ‘bad words’.
The reason I bring up the second example is that before v/greatawakening went off the rails into boob-frenzied lunacy, I thought to set up a dinner table-like sub for political discussion where no topics were verboten, but vulgarities would not be tolerated. The idea would be to allow for the freedom to express the sorts of ideas often expressed and debated here yet able to more widely disseminate because of the enforced language rules.
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 21:55:47 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:51:57 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:55:51 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:06:52 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 11:20:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:59:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 00:08:37 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:53:43 ago (+0/-0)
Or nice discussion like:
Because everybody knows @system’s mom sent his tip to the adl 27 years ago when Rabbi Berkowitz gnawed it off.
You see? That’s cheeky. It’s perhaps a bit hard for something like the ‘system’ account in my personal opinion.
Maybe that’s why I do not think there are many nice people here.
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 08:21:39 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 09:19:30 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 13:34:32 ago (+0/-0)
And my joke about ADL tips was awesome.
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 13:52:50 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 12:15:39 ago (+0/-0)
You get what you give in life. You Know This.
At least I hope you do.
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 13:31:31 ago (+0/-0)
To be talking about “SBBH scum” ‘controlling old Voat’ is conjectural rhetoric I’d expect from someone like itsgettingcloser but far far less so from the site owner on his official account. Do you not know better? You were closer to Putts than arguably anyone.
System told us he would make a separate account for shitposting( but I guess that’s out the window. I find it difficult to respect someone aping crenschiepoo’s lines (when crenschiepoo was also pushing Qhoax and actually defending Holographic Fake Biden on Poal) much less all the other insane lies.
[ + ] Cynabuns
[ - ] Cynabuns 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 13:51:31 ago (+0/-0)
Dude.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:16:52 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:22:26 ago (+1/-0)
This place's troll and asshole problem though appears to be as bad as the original Voat.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:30:11 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:37:11 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:26:25 ago (+0/-0)
Can anyone find 5 more nice people here?
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 07:31:54 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 13:35:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:01:28 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:25:18 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:31:26 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:29:12 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:48:33 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:35:45 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:15:08 ago (+5/-2)
[ + ] BigDickMcGee
[ - ] BigDickMcGee 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:59:34 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:18:25 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 12:23:13 ago (+4/-1)
It's like Poal..
They have a news post, instead of posting into news, they create their own little subverse like:
NEWZ, REALNEWS, TRUENEWS, ACTUALNEWS, NOVANEWS.
This is absurd.
Giving them total power in their "subverses" will cause voat to become Poal.
Since the rule from 1/2 to 5x. I cannot downvoat anything.
And I don't have time to post things enough to get 4k upvotes.
I cannot help anyone, sorry.
But in my opinion. No.
Just because they created the subverse, doesn't make them God of it.
I suggest you create some sorte of rule..
Like.. If you create a subverse and it either: becomes popular or lasts long enough... You have to nominate at least 2 extra admins that can at least help balance the decisions and try to avoid power abuse.
If for example the 3 admins are being unreasonable, you System, can intervene.
If it's only one. The other 2 should be bothered not you, system.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:31:28 ago (+3/-0)
That's the solution to heavy handed moderation though: AOU was "moving" everyone's posts whenever he felt like it, so they started posting in subs he didn't own. Problem solved.
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:01:37 ago (+1/-0)
Because those subverses were created the first month voat was opened.
Nobody was moving posts here...
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 21:12:03 ago (+3/-1)*
Looking back at old Voat kevdude and ProtectVoat were some of the most cancerous elements there, even if maybe they didn't intend to be. In the name of fighting censorship they stirred up lynch mobs to harass sub owners and try to prevent them from containing trolls in their subs. I think limiting sub owner power can only lead to a depression of rational conversation on this website.
Personally I don't think anyone can seriously claim I was ever an abusive sub owner at old Voat. If a person didn't come in and cuss me out or spam the place to disrupt, etc., I left their content alone. I'll do the same here.
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 23:39:14 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 00:13:04 ago (+1/-1)*
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 00:51:48 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 00:55:31 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 01:15:46 ago (+2/-0)
You admitted to going to beaches & playgrounds by yourself and with a camera phone, that's outside of the fact you post cp links
https://files.catbox.moe/ji6k62.PNG
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 01:55:07 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 23:36:55 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:22:05 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] SexMachine
[ - ] SexMachine 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:27:36 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:24:28 ago (+3/-1)
[ + ] King_of_the_Cucks
[ - ] King_of_the_Cucks 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:20:09 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:01:57 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Wahaha
[ - ] Wahaha 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:32:20 ago (+2/-0)
If there was a way to get an uninvolved third party, maybe an unrelated mod from a randomly selected different subverse, to give his okay before an actual deletion, that would be a system I could get behind. Not sure how feasible that would be, though.
The idea about just collapsing posts works, too, in principle. But unfolding dozens of comments is a major pain in the ass, I'll have you know.
[ + ] Hey_guys_whats_up
[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 17:04:37 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:32:52 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 23, 2021 07:03:26 ago (+0/-0)
I blocked itsgettingcloser because of his spammy low-tier posts, not because of his censorious policies, but if it was actually stuff I wanted to read it would suck not being able to comment on popular stuff because I ticked off a power-tripping owner of a popular sub.
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 14:10:01 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 21:23:13 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] RobertJHarsh
[ - ] RobertJHarsh 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 22:16:19 ago (+0/-0)
Mods running amok is why reddit will die soon. People see these bbs' as an investment of time and when someone is part of a platform for a significant amount of time and then some fucktard mod gets them banned or deletes all their comments.
[ + ] oldblo
[ - ] oldblo 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:32:03 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:31:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 20:15:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] ScheduledSuicide
[ - ] ScheduledSuicide 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 19:59:23 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] gabara
[ - ] gabara 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:17:15 ago (+3/-2)
Watch out you don't get sued by Reddit for copying them.
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:22:58 ago (+5/-1)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:10:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] gabara
[ - ] gabara -5 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:43:34 ago (+1/-6)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 7 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:49:10 ago (+8/-1)
[ + ] beece
[ - ] beece 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 18:38:37 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:45:39 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:48:30 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 12:26:31 ago (+4/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:24:01 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:25:27 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:52:02 ago (+4/-3)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:25:05 ago (+4/-0)*
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:33:19 ago (+3/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:44:04 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 15:15:02 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:10:54 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] cyclops1771
[ - ] cyclops1771 4 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:25:21 ago (+4/-0)
I made 3 comments you didn't like on content I thought was reposted. Why did you simply say "Nope, you're wrong, this is different/unique"? Why delete? Why then ban me, not just from that sub, but all the subs you mod, before even giving me the opportunity for defense or retraction? Either it IS re-posted, and you want to hide it, or it isn't, and you BAN anyone who states otherwsie? WHy the two positions?
I am banned in this one too, can you show everyone where I am "trolling"? Please show everyone how I am trolling. I think everyone here would like to be enlightened on this "trolling" I did that got me banned. https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=60a7a94d74d3f#comment_60a7b479a5e1c
Really? I am ? Which accounts do I create, every day, over and over?
I agree, normal people will take a single disagreement, say, "Hey you're wrong" and move on, and not ban people from everywhere in your purview. That is tyrannical, childlike behavior. "Take my ball and going home!" behavior.
100% agreed. People who use their mod power because they can are not beneficial to this site.
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:58:14 ago (+1/-0)
Don’t give away the game quite so easily kike. It’s more fun with shades of grey.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:21:32 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 22, 2021 02:20:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Artificial_Intelligentile
[ - ] Artificial_Intelligentile 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 22:34:23 ago (+1/-1)
hm... nah, that would create parallel societies. that shit never works... forget my idea.
if anyone can view the deleted comment anyway, no need to change anything. mods need to be able to defend against harrassment.
[ + ] gabara
[ - ] gabara -1 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:20:04 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] hate
[ - ] hate 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 11:59:41 ago (+3/-0)
Not to mention, we both know you already know most of them because you use them yourself.
[ + ] gabara
[ - ] gabara -1 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 12:01:33 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 3 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:25:37 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 13:31:08 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] gabara
[ - ] gabara 1 point 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 16:37:16 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo -2 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:49:04 ago (+1/-3)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system [op] 7 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:51:29 ago (+8/-1)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 0 points 3.9 yearsMay 21, 2021 10:52:48 ago (+2/-2)